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== How do you add the parameter to align the column left or right? ==

Instead of having the static number row always centered in the column, how do you make the numbers align left or right? [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 09:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:I don't know. Maybe someone can add a parameter to allow choosing between left, center, or right aligned.
:{{u|Qwerty284651}} recently changed the default from right-aligned to center-aligned. See '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AStatic_row_numbers%2Fstyles.css&diff=1226291798&oldid=1220846657 diff].''' It happened on May 29, 2024.
:I prefer it right-aligned. It keeps the useful part of a table slightly narrower in cell phones. Every little bit helps. --[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 09:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
::Right aligned is usually preferred if number totals are being totaled at the bottom. That would be standard for totaling. But many tables setup by consensus or otherwise use left aligned to go with all the other columns of a table. And this template is also used for desktops and laptops, not just phones. It really needs that flexibility or 1/3 of tables are stuck in one mode. Who would be the best to ask to add the parameter? [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 09:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:::I noticed that you just set the default to left aligned. 
:::You wrote: "But many tables setup by consensus or otherwise use left aligned to go with all the other columns of a table." I find many data tables end up being right aligned. Except for the leftmost column of countries, states, provinces, or other text columns. Columns can be easily aligned. See '''[[Template:Table alignment]].''' 
:::Maybe {{u|Jroberson108}} might help. --[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 09:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
::::The only caveat to {{tlx|table alignment}} is that it doesn't work in tables with col-/rowspan groups as it skews everything up unevely, otherwise it severely saves up on usage of style="text-align....". Very nifty template. [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 23:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
: I've restored the right alignment by default and added classes <code>.static-row-numbers-left</code> and <code>.static-row-numbers-center</code>. &nbsp;—&nbsp;<span style="white-space: nowrap;font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> [[User:Jts1882|Jts1882]]  &#124;[[User talk:Jts1882| talk]]&nbsp;</span> 10:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
::I updated the doc page. [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 01:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
::Usually numerical data is right-aligned, even if the rest of the table aligns differently. If however all the numbers in the column have the same number of digits like single digit (0-9), then you might see left or center alignment, which isn't noticeable if the column label is empty or the same or less number of characters like "#". Personally, I don't see a need for left or center, but, as mentioned above, it is available now. Also, {{tl|table alignment}} won't be able to align this. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 12:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:::The only reason it would right align is so the numbers align when adding up in mathematics, and that's cool. But there are plenty of times you aren't doing those calculations, especially when the column is the very first column of a table. Outside of wikipedia the html easily allows for this flexibility in style, and now that it has been fixed, easily done here too. Thanks for this effort. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 18:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
::::It is common for many people to prefer right alignment of number columns even without adding up the numbers. Because it is easier to scan a column this way, and spot the increase in the number of digits. --[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 19:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::But that would really only apply to large numbers. Sports tables use the first static column to total victories so it will simply be a running total starting with 1 and increasing one at a time to maybe 50. I see no issue in a column that will never have more the two digits and where my eyes scan that just fine left, right, or centered. Only the first nine rows would be single digits. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 20:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::I work on a lot of country tables. With all kinds of numbers of various lengths in the various columns. In the end it is the table editors that decide what to do. --[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 04:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::And that makes a big difference. It's why I wondered why it would get changed to "center" a couple days ago. I work on tennis articles where the totals are almost always one or two digits, and you work on articles that have varying number lengths where right justified is helpful to be the norm. Now we have alternatives thanks to editor Jts1882. Cheers and thanks everyone for the quick help. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 06:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::And also an alternative from me, who boldly changed the alignment to center as, and from this discussion it looks that I am in the minority, I am used to having numbered columns be aligned centered regardless of their position in the table. That is my preference. Funny, how "necessity is the mother of invention" came into full swing here: and Fyunck's and mine edit of the template's css code to center and later left conjured up 2 new classes: {{code|.static-row-numbers-left}} and {{code|.static-row-numbers-center}}. :) [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 23:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Left/center is simply a matter of opinion and esthetics. Wiki Mos says right is usually best for numbers since they align for addition and decimal points. Same with most google searches (right is preferred), but then none of the examples show a simple column of ascending digits. I think the static row is not usually used for that. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 00:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Where in MoS? I never found it. From my research, right aligned is recommended so the place values are vertically aligned making it easier to scan and compare numbers, no matter the length or size. It's a matter of making it more readable, no matter how minor the improvement. Also, most spreadsheet apps right align numbers by default. As mentioned above, if the entire ranking is one digit long (1-9), then other alignments can be used without affecting the readability. At that point, it's just preference. You indicated that right is "usually best" and "preferred". That remains my preference. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I couldn't find it either. Where in MOS does it say {{tq|right is usually best for numbers since they align for addition and decimal points}}? [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 02:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Not sure where I read it in MOS. It could have been in a talk page discussion under MOS. When I originally saw this moved to center I checked out many discussions here. The [[Help:Table/Advanced|Advanced Table Help page]] says right. There was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Tables#Lacking_guidance_on_left_vs._center_justification discussion at MOS] where it was brought up and again "right" was verified. I'd have to go through my history to check out all the pages I looked at. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 04:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::The [[Help:Table/Advanced#Aligning the data in data columns to the right|advanced table help page]] gives an example, a guide on how to align a table to the right not a MOS rule. This right-alignment for numbers I don't know where editors got it from. I always align digits center, that's a no brainer for me. [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 10:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's a standard practice outside of wikipedia. For some here, right alignment is a no-brainer. For some left alignment is a no-brainer. Maybe it depends on what your used to. For me I usually align left for all as it was what I was taught. I was also taught that when you are tabulating numbers, you align them right. And MOS is our guideline, not our rule. Policy is our rules. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 20:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree with what is being said. I am in the minority of favoring center alignment. Tabulating and aligning I see is very subjective...to each editor/user their own. [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 20:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I think in most of the world, if you have a line-up of numbers that is being added, it is always right-aligned. The digits must align if possible. The ones, the tens, the hundreds columns must align. That's probably where it comes from to right align all number columns. When you have a column of numbers that isn't being added up at the end, it isn't as important that the digits align, so that is where it becomes subjective as to use. Then, as someone mentioned above, when you have tiny numbers and large numbers, scanning is easier when they are aligned one way or the other. It's when we have perfectly ascending numbers 1-2 digits long (rarely 1-3 digits long), it becomes as you said even more subjective of right/left/center. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 21:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Styles uses the <code>static-row-numbers-left</code> and <code>static-row-numbers-center</code> classes and did not match documentation that describes <code>static-row-header-left</code> and <code>static-row-header-center</code>; therefore, it did not work as documented. According to the desired classes mentioned earlier in this discussion, I fixed the documented classes so they match styles.css and updated the 8 articles that use <code>static-row-header-center</code> to instead use <code>static-row-numbers-center</code>. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 16:51, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

== Number row without border and white background ==

The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AStatic_row_numbers%2Fstyles.css&diff=1231448689&oldid=1226710957 most recent update] of the template now displays {{tl|static row numbers}} as a column without borders and with a white background. Can you fix this? [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 02:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

:The change causes issues on vector legacy, monobook, and timeless. I didn't see where the background was white though. Reverted the change. {{u|TheDJ}}, can you give more info on testing night mode? Are you fixing for the "Dark mode toggle" or "Core styling" gadget or something else? [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 02:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::Looks like a skin specific problem indeed. It seems that not all skins have all CSS tokens yet. As such, whenever you use a variable, we should probably define a fallback value. I did so for this border in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Static_row_numbers/sandbox/styles.css&diff=prev&oldid=1232569160 We probably should add fallbacks to the other variables as well honestly. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 12:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::As [[mediawikiwiki:Recommendations_for_night_mode_compatibility_on_Wikimedia_wikis#Use_CSS_variables_or_CSS_design_tokens_with_fallback_for_background_and_text_where_possible|Recommendations_for_night_mode_compatibility_on_Wikimedia_wikis#Use_CSS_variables_or_CSS_design_tokens_with_fallback_for_background_and_text_where_possible]] details: " When using the CSS variables for Codex design tokens, always provide a fallback value for skins where CSS variables are not supported." —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 12:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::Any fixes I'm doing are with the core styling in mind btw. I personally see the dark gadget as something that will be deprecated soon as it is not universal across the wikis, has bad performance and color shifting. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 12:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::As there was no further feedback on the sandbox changes, I deployed them. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 13:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

==Add parameter to hide only the number in the table==
Would anyone care to add ability to hide only the display of the number without adding the "norank" status for the entire row? So, for example if I have a table showing the Top 5 rankings, but there are a few extra unranked entries retained from previous years, I can simply stop displaying the numbers at five without breaking the previous rankings. [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 13:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:{{re|Respublik}} I'm not following. Can you provide links to tables where this would be used? [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 14:23, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, [[:Tourism in Lithuania#Arrivals by country]] here I wanted to hide numbers after 10 and {{diff2|1299279749|discovered}} that no-rank simply breaks sorting of the previous columns. [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 14:31, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::{{re|Respublik}} The <code>static-row-numbers-norank</code> class isn't attached to a permanent row position in the table, but rather the row it was added to. If I assign it to the Finland, France, Norway, and Russia rows and sort, those rows continue to have their row numbers disabled. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 14:57, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::::Yeah and that is why I would like to have an opposite ability (to hide only the position) added. [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 15:07, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Respublik}} That's not possible. It's assigned to the row, so it stays with the row when sorted. Seems like the table description could just be changed to {{tq|"The top <s>10</s> foreign countries by annual short-term visitors to Lithuania"}} and the reader could just stop reading after the top-''X'' they were interested in. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 15:39, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::That would make it inaccurate per information presented, nor would be exactly useful, especially if we zoom out into wider usage of the template in various articles or the prevailing usage of sortable tables.
::::::Is there no way to insert a restriction for the total amount of counted rows, leaving the rest as blanks? Blanks are possible in cases of the "sortbottom", or if the row starts as header, but obviously both disable sorting. [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 18:09, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::The [[:Template:Row numbers]] has something like that for the starting number, I believe. [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 18:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|Respublik}} {{tlc|Row numbers}} works in a similar way where you either add or don't add a row count to each row. If you edit/preview their test tables by making them sortable and removing one number, then you will see the missing number stays with the row.
:::::::A sorttop/sortbottom row remains at the top/bottom when sorted, so those aren't what you are looking for.
:::::::On templates, we are limited in what we can do. With JavaScript, this dynamic change might be possible, but templates don't allow JS due to security reasons. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 19:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|Respublik}} In regard to the data, it looks like you have 10 for each year. The only thing I can suggest is clarify in the table's caption with something like {{tq|"Annual top-10 comparison"}}. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 19:41, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Well if that is limited, then scratching that would it be possible to have something like <"!-- --"> comments enabled to dynamically hide the template generated numbering post attachment, just hidding them rather then not having it attached. While generally impractical, could this be a solution at least for a table that doesn't require continuing counting any further? [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 11:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I know that it doesn't have what I need, I've been thinking about the index parameter that affects the row numbers, as well as it having a similar function to hold values. Unfortunately, I'm not versed in coding to actually assess any of this in any way. At best can try to prompt comparisons. [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 12:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
:Any chance there are templates that simply attach a permanent row position in a sortable table? [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 12:05, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|Respublik}} After a few days of thought and research, I did come up with something, but it is severely limited so that it works properly. The table must be <code>sortable</code>, can't have <code>sorttop</code> rows above the sortable data, and can't use the <code>static-row-numbers-norank</code> class to omit numbers in the sortable data. You can however have <code>sortbottom</code> rows below the sortable data. In this way, nothing is assigned to specific rows that are sortable and nothing appears above the sortable data that is moved post-sort.
::Top-10 is the only one supported, and supporting other top-''X'' values requires adding each one to the styles, which is far from ideal. See sandbox test at [[Template:Static row numbers/testcases#Test top-X]]. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 16:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the efforts. As far as testing on my examples, everything seems to be working all fine. [[User:Respublik|Respublik]] ([[User talk:Respublik|talk]]) 23:39, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
::::{{re|Respublik}} Changes are live. I hope it's something others want to use too and is used more than once. No one else joined the discussion. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 15:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Is this possible? ==

Hey,
can the template do this?
* merging rows when the number of two rows is the same
* finding the numbers for ranking in a column further right
* being able to rank even though every number has a reference behind it.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Rank
!Name
!Number of sth
|-
|1
|A
|50<ref>ref1</ref>
|-
| rowspan="2" |2
|B
|45<ref>ref2</ref>
|-
|C
|45<ref>ref3</ref>
|-
| rowspan="3" |3
|D
|40<ref>ref4</ref>
|-
|E
|40<ref>ref5</ref>
|-
|F
|40<ref>ref6</ref>
|}
{{talk refs}}
[[User:WikiPate|WikiPate]] ([[User talk:WikiPate|talk]]) 15:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

:{{re|WikiPate}} CSS alone cannot merge cells to create a rowspan or dynamically change based on other values. For that, JavaScript would be needed, which templates don't allow. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 16:49, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
::ok thx! [[User:WikiPate|WikiPate]] ([[User talk:WikiPate|talk]]) 09:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Disabling numbers to N/A ==

in the table at [[Chaos Communication Congress]], I wish to replace the numbers for the cancelled events with an en dash (with {{temp|n/a}}). the only way to get close to this is by disabling the number all together which is somewhat confusing. <span style="white-space: nowrap;"><span style="background-color: #E6007A;">&nbsp;[[User:Juwan|<b style="color: #FFF;">Juwan</b>]]&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Juwan|🕊️]][[Special:Contribs/Juwan|🌈]]</span> 12:52, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

:{{re|Juwan}} Are you saying, for dashes and the one that actually says cancelled, you add the "static-row-numbers-norank" class to the row to disable the row number? If that's the case, then it seems like the right way to disable the number. For screen readers though, you may want to specify cancelled instead of a dash. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 19:20, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::I apologise but not entirely sure what you are asking. the rows for the years 2020–2022 should have the row number disabled and the gaps replaced with the N/A dashes. the implementation for screen reader accessibility is up to your discretion. <span style="white-space: nowrap;"><span style="background-color: #E6007A;">&nbsp;[[User:Juwan|<b style="color: #FFF;">Juwan</b>]]&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Juwan|🕊️]][[Special:Contribs/Juwan|🌈]]</span> 19:27, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
:{{re|Juwan}} After rereading it, sounds like you want to replace the actual number/blank in the first column with the dash. I would still advise to say cancelled somewhere instead of relying on a dash. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 19:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] it is what I want to do. in this case, the rest of the table do say that the events were cancelled or moved online. <span style="white-space: nowrap;"><span style="background-color: #E6007A;">&nbsp;[[User:Juwan|<b style="color: #FFF;">Juwan</b>]]&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Juwan|🕊️]][[Special:Contribs/Juwan|🌈]]</span> 19:39, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

== Is it possible to have more options for the column header text besides "No." and "#"? ==

Basically, I'd like for it to say "rank" as well, and this feels like it should be customizable. [[User:LivinAWestLife|<span style="color:blueviolet;">'''''LivinAWestLife'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:LivinAWestLife|talk]]) 12:43, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{re|LivinAWestLife}} They are more like static row numbers and less ranks since they don't change with sorting. It would be customizable if templates allowed JavaScript. [[User:Jroberson108|Jroberson108]] ([[User talk:Jroberson108|talk]]) 16:23, 8 February 2026 (UTC)