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==Subscription only?==
Great new template! I'm fairly incompetent at template syntax, but have made a slight tweak. Should it have a subscription only note, as [[Template:ODNBweb]] has? [[User:Dsp13|Dsp13]] ([[User talk:Dsp13|talk]]) 02:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
:Cheers. I suppose it should. Same would go for [[Template:Crockford]] '''''[[User:DBD|D]][[User talk:DBD|B]][[Special:Contributions/DBD|D]]''''' 18:37, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

== Website overhaul, December 2017 ==

Hasn't broken this templates links (they redirect), but we could choose to implement either their new urls e.g. https://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.001.0001/ww-9780199540884-e-282438 or DOI links e.g. https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.282438 '''[[User talk:DBD|DBD]]''' 18:04, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

: Hello {{ping|DBD}} I've added [[digital object identifier]]s as a parameter to this template, although sadly, many of these new DOIs appear to be broken. While your example above ({{doi|10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.282438}}) works, many do not. {{As of|2017|12|13}} for example, [[Keith Beven]]s entry at:
: http://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.001.0001/ww-9780199540884-e-289275 uses a broken  {{doi|10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.289275}} 

: I've notified [[CrossRef]] of a handful of these via http://www.crossref.org/DOIComplaint, but there appear to be many more. 

: Thankfully though, the http://www.ukwhoswho.com site does show a preview of the articles for users that "do not currently have access to this article" which makes ''some'' [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] possible for users outside the paywall {{closed access}} {{subscription required}}. [[User:Duncan.Hull|Duncan.Hull]] ([[User talk:Duncan.Hull|talk]]) 06:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

== Italics ==

I have made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWho%27s_Who&type=revision&diff=902832291&oldid=898289994 this change] to put ''Who's Who'' and ''Who Was Who'' into italics, as is normal for book titles. It seems to work, but if I have upset any applecarts inadvertently then please do feel free to undo (and explain so I can avoid making the same mistake again). [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 15:32, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

== Who Was Who link ==

When the template is used to display ''Who Was Who'', it links to ''Who's Who''. Would it be possible to make it link to ''[[Who Was Who]]''? I know this is a redirect, but it does take readers to the relevant section of the article. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

==Stephen Hawking==
is no longer alive[[User:Bashereyre|Bashereyre]] ([[User talk:Bashereyre|talk]]) 19:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

== not showing any data on [[Fran Balkwill]] ==

i have added <code><nowiki>{{Who's Who | U4000437 }}</nowiki></code>. it shows "",". Who's Who. ukwhoswho.com. A & C Black, an imprint of Bloomsbury Publishing plc. (subscription or UK public library membership required)". its doi @  https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.U4000437

i have updated "String required" only. what am i doing wrong ? [[User:Leela52452|Leela52452]] ([[User talk:Leela52452|talk]]) 03:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{user|Leela52452}} refers to {{diff|Fran Balkwill|prev|950640679|this edit}}, where several other things were done too. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
:You only supplied one parameter, but [[Template:Who's Who#Usage]] shows that you need "three parameters, the bare minimum" - specifically {{tlx|Who's Who|2=id=<var>ID</var>|3=surname=<var>SURNAME</var>|4=othernames=<var>OTHERNAMES</var>}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
::I think [[User:Duncan.Hull|Duncan.Hull]] gave the impresion that parameter names can be omitted in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Who%27s_Who/doc&diff=815467148&oldid=815358752]. But all parameters must be named. Unnamed parameters are ignored. {{tlx|1=Who's Who |2=id=U4000437 }} would make a working link but you still need <code>|surname=</code> and <code>|othernames=</code> to display text on the link. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
:::I removed the invalid examples from the doc. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:52, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

hello {{reply to|PrimeHunter}} {{reply to|Redrose64}} good morning !!!!! thank you for fixing this template and my mistake also. there was lot of text in reference and i have come across this in some article. using bare three minimum parameters works flawlessly and anybody can figure out by looking at title and doi in whos who website. [[User:Leela52452|Leela52452]] ([[User talk:Leela52452|talk]]) 01:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC) [[:m:User_talk:leela52452|any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here]]

{{done}} [[User:Leela52452|Leela52452]] ([[User talk:Leela52452|talk]]) 13:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

==Website parameter==
I removed this from the template, as it creates an unnecessary double listing of the source. For example:
*{{Who's Who | author=Anon|year=2017|surname = CORRIE | othernames = Sir Owen Cecil Kirkpatrick | id = U50605 | type = was | volume = 2020 | edition = online}}
Has a link to the website and a link to our article on the publication ([[Who's Who (UK)]]). There does not seem to be any reason to have "ukwhoswho.com" listed as well.

:The removal has recently been reverted. Can we agree to remove it to avoid this clutter? Cheers, [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 16:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello {{ping|Number 57}} Distinguishing between URL and Website provides useful information, they are different parameters in [[Template:Cite book]], in this case:
* [[Website]] is for the [[domain name]] e.g. [http://ukwhoswho.com ukwhoswho.com]
* [[url|URL]] is for the full address e.g. [https://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/article/oupww/whoswho/U50605 ukwhoswho.com/view/article/oupww/whoswho/U50605]

The domain name in the latter gets hidden by the link text (e.g. "CORRIE, Sir Owen Cecil Kirkpatrick") described in website. The domain name is useful here for distinguishing between other books with the same name (see [[Who's Who]]) but different domains, such as [http://ukwhoswho.com ukwhoswho.com] and [http://www.whoswho.com whoswho.com] etc [[User:Duncan.Hull|Duncan.Hull]] ([[User talk:Duncan.Hull|talk]]) 17:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:I still cannot see the point of listing the url of the website when we already have a direct link to the website (what are people expecting that link to be to?). It just looks like terrible formatting (the first time I saw this being used, I assumed it was an input error). [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 17:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:: They are needed because the link and the domain name '''aren't''' the same thing, one gets ''italicised.com'' to give context, the other takes the reader directly to the source. Without it, the user has to [[mouseover]] the link to see the domain name. The same distinction is made in templates such as [[Template:Cite web]], [[Template:Cite thesis]] and many others [[User:Duncan.Hull|Duncan.Hull]] ([[User talk:Duncan.Hull|talk]]) 17:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:::OK, we're clearly not going to agree, so I'll start an RfC on whether this should be included or not to get some wider input. [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 17:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

== Template missing/empty '|title=' ==

The template show <code><nowiki>{{cite book}}: |chapter-url= missing title</nowiki></code> in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:CS1_errors:_bare_URL?from=Wa CS1_errors] [[User:Franz.wohlkoenig|Franz.wohlkoenig]] ([[User talk:Franz.wohlkoenig|talk]]) 13:23, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

== proposed update ==

I have hacked the sandbox to make a template that uses [[Module:Template wrapper]].  Using Module:Template wrapper allows editors to use {{tlx|Who's Who}} with all of the available cs1|2 parameters without the need to modify {{tld|Who's Who}} so that those parameters can be supported.  The examples from the ~/doc page have been copied as-is to the [[Template:Who's Who/testcases]] page so that you can compare current v. proposed.

Things that have changed:
#instead of {{tlx|cite book}}, the proposal uses {{tlx|cite encyclopedia}}; this is in keeping with similar wrapper templates ({{tlx|cite ODNB}}, etc)
#the publisher marketing fluff ("an imprint of Bloomsbury Publishing plc") removed
#{{para|website|ukwhoswho.com}} removed; in the pending version of [[Module:Citation/CS1]], {{para|work}} and its aliases will not be supported in {{tld|cite book}} and {{tld|cite encyclopedia}}
#{{para|type}} is documented to take the single value <code>was</code>; the live version of the template does not recognize that parameter value – it does recognize the undocumented value <code>online</code>; the proposal recognizes {{para|type|was}} and does not recognize {{para|type|online}}.
#*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3A%22Who%27s+Who%22+insource%3A%2F%5C%7C+%2Atype+%2A%3D+%2Awas%2F&ns0=1 ~640 articles] using {{para|type|was}}
#*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3A%22Who%27s+Who%22+insource%3A%2F%5C%7C+%2Atype+%2A%3D+%2Aonline%2F&ns0=1 no articles] using {{para|type|online}}
#the proposal template will accept a single parameter {{para|title}}; this is in keeping with similar wrapper templates ({{tlx|cite ODNB}}, etc) and will allow us to deprecate and ultimately remove support for {{para|surname}} and {{para|othernames}}

Things that should be done:
#deprecate {{para|surname}} and {{para|othernames}}; it is not necessary to make editors disassemble the Who's Who entry title just to have the template reassemble it
#move {{tld|Who's Who}} to {{tlx|Cite Who's Who}}; this will allow {{tlx|sfn}} (and others) to read the {{tld|cite Who's Who}} template wikitext looking for author/date/reference

Comments?  Questions?

Without objection, I shall update the live template from the sandbox in about a week's time.

—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 16:06, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:There having been no commnet: updated.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:52, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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:In article namespace, I have replaced all use of {{para|surname}} and {{para|othernames}} with {{para|title}} and all use of {{para|accessed}} with {{para|access-date}}.  As of the timestamp of this posting, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3A%22Who%27s+Who%22+insource%3A%2F%5C%7B+%2AWho%27s+Who%5B%5E%5C%7D%5D%2A%5C%7C+%2A%28surname%7Cothernames%29%2F&ns0=1 this search] in article namespace returned zero results as did [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3A%22Who%27s+Who%22+insource%3A%2F%5C%7B+%2AWho%27s+Who%5B%5E%5C%7D%5D%2A%5C%7C+%2Aaccessed%2F&ns0=1 this search].
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:I have hacked the sandbox to remove {{para|surname}}, {{para|othernames}}, and {{para|accessed}}.  I also qualified {{para|entry-url}} and {{para|entry-url-access}} with {{para|id}}.  If {{para|id}} is empty or omitted, the template will not fill {{para|entry-url}} and {{para|entry-url-access}} so that {{para|title}} does not link to a 404 page.
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:Examples in [[Template:Who's Who/testcases|~/testcases]].  Without objection I will update this template in a few days.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 23:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
::There having been no comment: updated.
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 14:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)